SPOILERS Going Postal Discussion *Spoilers*
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Me likey this theory 
. Although the really important question is this: does Vetinari know? I doubt Margo would tell him if kev's theory was the case.
as for being half vampire, why not? His vampirism could just manifest itself a prodigious talent for manipulating people, and vampires are nothing if not naturally manipulative. As for the rest (sunlight, superspeed, fangs etc) perhaps the genetics just couldn’t be bothered, and being fiercely non violent he's never needed them.
its very unlikely, but hey it is fiction after all.
. Although the really important question is this: does Vetinari know? I doubt Margo would tell him if kev's theory was the case.as for being half vampire, why not? His vampirism could just manifest itself a prodigious talent for manipulating people, and vampires are nothing if not naturally manipulative. As for the rest (sunlight, superspeed, fangs etc) perhaps the genetics just couldn’t be bothered, and being fiercely non violent he's never needed them.
its very unlikely, but hey it is fiction after all.
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I agree.
I liked both of these books a great deal more than I was expecting too. Maybe because of the introductions to new characters or whether it's because they focus on more mundane proffesions than Magic (Witches or Wizards) or Supernatural or Detective work (Death or the Watch).
Also I am surprised that there was no appearance by Dibbler, if not trying to get in on the game like in The Truth, but then just in the crowd scenes where Pterry said people were bound to be selling things!
I like how Vimes was talked about but never heard. Also you come Angua is in the Sky adaptation, haven't seen it yet, when she is hardly in the book, and only then she is just in doggie form?
I liked both of these books a great deal more than I was expecting too. Maybe because of the introductions to new characters or whether it's because they focus on more mundane proffesions than Magic (Witches or Wizards) or Supernatural or Detective work (Death or the Watch).
Also I am surprised that there was no appearance by Dibbler, if not trying to get in on the game like in The Truth, but then just in the crowd scenes where Pterry said people were bound to be selling things!
I like how Vimes was talked about but never heard. Also you come Angua is in the Sky adaptation, haven't seen it yet, when she is hardly in the book, and only then she is just in doggie form?
I just want to add with awith all the people hating on Moist, do we not enjoy films and shows like Oceans Eleven, Hustle, The Grifters to name just a few. We admire them because of what they can get away with even though it's wrong.
Yeah they steal from rich people but they still spend it themselves.
Yeah they steal from rich people but they still spend it themselves.
Agree with you there, DaveC.
People like characters in movies (or stories) where the rich (or evil) get grifted by those who aren't as rich (or evil).
However, it would be impossible for anyone other than a sociopath to like a con man whose actions result in financial hardship for a poor person or someone who gets blamed for a crime.
That's why Pterry had to make Spike the victim of one of Albert Spangler's grifts, so he (and we, as reader) would no longer be able to rationalize or even admire his actions as those of a simple con man whose victims deserved what they got. He needed a moral comuppance, if only to make him choose a path that would help him understand why he was different than Reacher Gilt.
And it was important that Spike told him about her firing after he had already donated his robbery money to the city. So readers could see that he could change his shorts as something other than an atonement for putting Spike out of work.
J-I-B
People like characters in movies (or stories) where the rich (or evil) get grifted by those who aren't as rich (or evil).
However, it would be impossible for anyone other than a sociopath to like a con man whose actions result in financial hardship for a poor person or someone who gets blamed for a crime.
That's why Pterry had to make Spike the victim of one of Albert Spangler's grifts, so he (and we, as reader) would no longer be able to rationalize or even admire his actions as those of a simple con man whose victims deserved what they got. He needed a moral comuppance, if only to make him choose a path that would help him understand why he was different than Reacher Gilt.
And it was important that Spike told him about her firing after he had already donated his robbery money to the city. So readers could see that he could change his shorts as something other than an atonement for putting Spike out of work.
J-I-B
Going Postal, and its sequel, Making Money, remain amongst my absolute favourite Discworld books. Why? I think one of the things that I enjoy about Moist von Lipwig is that he is great at improvising and succeeding with his improvised plans. I love characters who do that, like the Doctor, or Miles Vorkosigan. And yes, I do understand that he needed a moral comeuppance. Otherwise, he would have kept ignoring the consequences of his actions, or at least those not directly pertaining to him. At least he was honest enough (irony, much?) to divulge what he did to Adora in the end.
Edited! 
Sorry guys - struggling here with keeping my eyes open and selective dyslexia and so I quoted the wrong person *tears hair*
I like Moist very much, does that mean I'm a man too?
No - just that you can't resist a b*stard
Sorry guys - struggling here with keeping my eyes open and selective dyslexia and so I quoted the wrong person *tears hair*
CrysaniaMajere said:
poohcarrot said:
Jan doesn't understand. It's a "man thing".
